nerakrose: drawing of balfour from havemercy (Default)
There's been some posts going around about how to properly use the relationship tags on tumblr (specifically how to tag for background ships so they don't clog up searches) which has led me to start editing the tags on my ao3 fics (not done). I get annoyed searching for ships and finding only 300 fics where they're a background couple, so fixing my own complicity in the problem is a start. but, I've also been thinking about tagging in general, and...tagging in specific:

How do you tag for things that aren't explicit in the fic? Do you tag for it? What is the expectation when you see (certain?) tags on fics?

In no longer easy on the eyes, I wrote Sirius as asexual but never tagged for it because it never came up in conversation within the fic. I'd say it's obvious though - or at least to me he reads as a very obviously asexual person, and even if I never used the word in-fic, the essence of it is understood (Remus says at one point that he didn't think Sirius was interested in relationships at all because he never dated). when that fic ended up on this pride themed reclist*, I was surprised that it was listed under bisexual and not asexual - I never tagged Remus as bisexual nor did I state that within the fic, although he is as obviously bisexual as Sirius is asexual.

So now I wonder, do I tag Sirius as asexual in order to make my intent explicit, or would that potentially be a cop-out? The whole Dumbledore Is Gay discourse all over again, essentially?

Another fic of mine, an old Albus/Scorpius fic (wherein Scorpius ascertains his sexuality) is tagged asexual spectrum, demisexuality, sexual identity, and sexual confusion (in addition to other things) and - spoiler - after cycling through a number of labels Scorpius ends up labelling himself as a late bloomer. I have gotten a LOT of negative comments on this one (not only on ao3) from people who felt cheated because "it gives the impression of featuring an asexual character when it doesn't".

And so I wonder, should I remove the asexual spectrum tag despite the fact Scorpius labels himself as asexual at one stage in the fic? Is the way I've tagged the fic signalling something other than I think it is? Do people expect asexual endgame when in reality it's more accurately demisexuality? (and also, this fic is old and doesn't handle the topic nearly as well as it could've - I'd do things differently today - but on the other hand it does reflect my personal experience with going through labels so it's not like it's unrealistic. I have been thinking about taking it down because I'm so tired of the negative comments, but I also don't want to do that because, you know what, fics don't and shouldn't adhere to an unwritten sjw approved checklist. Ever so rarely I do get a comment from somebody who saw themselves in it. Is that not worth the hassle?)

I'm currently writing an Emil/Michele (yoi) fic, in which Michele is asexual. I didn't plan it, it just happened that way, but like with no longer easy on the eyes, it never gets explicitly stated. Michele never says the words "I'm asexual", he just behaves in a way that very clearly (to me at least) signals lack of sexual attraction. (Emil is the opposite, he's very clearly attracted.)

Do I tag that? If I post that fic with the tag asexual Michele crispino, will readers expect the word within the fic? Will they get disappointed and accuse me of acebaiting if I do?
And the other side of the coin: if I don't tag it, will people miss it? Will no one notice that he's asexual? Does not tagging asexuality when it's on the page, even if not explicitly stated to be there, contribute to the lack of asexual visibility?

I'm honestly not sure what to do. On one hand I can completely understand the need for visibility and representation and by extension the need to have things stated clearly - the whole Let Characters Say Bisexual On TV discourse (not to mention the appalling lack of ace rep) - but on the other hand I don't always feel like it needs to be said. I'm not bringing it up in the Emil/Michele fic because it would create this weird pause in the flow of the fic. It's not a relevant topic of conversation for them. It doesn't suit Michele's characterisation to a) bring it up b) to think of it in the first place. If I did, it would feel like I'm just crossing off a checklist.

asexuality mentioned in-text, woke points achieved

And yet, if I don't tag for it, it seems it will go absolutely unnoticed? I'd like to trust people to have critical reading skills, but the truth is that even when they do, when it comes to asexuality in particular many people lack the knowledge necessary to decode a character as asexual. We have shorthands and codes for gay and lesbian readings (even if that's also not a given, even when it's explicit; see: Harold They Are Lesbians) but we don't have a backlog of literature and media with ace rep on which to base a pattern recognition programme to help recognise What's Obvious To The Rest Of Us.

So I'm back to square one. How do I best tag (or not tag) my fics? How do I decode what's the general expectation for a given tag, such as asexuality ? How do I avoid the worst pitfalls of ao3 tagging ?


* for clarity's sake, this is absolutely not a complaint about the reclist! I'm always stoked when my stuff gets recced.

recs time

May. 25th, 2014 10:54 pm
nerakrose: drawing of balfour from havemercy (are you insane?)
i signed up for [livejournal.com profile] rs_games!!!!!! YOU SHOULD TOO I'M SO EXCITED I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR RS GAMES SINCE LAST RS GAMES BC I COULDN'T DO RS GAMES LAST YEAR BC I WAS BUSY WITH LVL2 AND JUST RS GAMES RS GAMES

ok recs. because i've been reading stuff :D and i was actually thinking about recs, as in - the type of recs i usually make. because i've been reading a lot of filth lately as well, and... well. the sort of stuff i read because FIC YAY and the sort of stuff i read because 'dammit i just want filthy porn and all of it right now for the next five days and nothing else' is very different, and i never rec anything from the latter category. <.<

so uhm basically i was just wondering if other people also make that distinction? i mean, i think the reason why i haven't ever recced anything from the second category is because i don't really need the world to see what kind of stuff i like when it's my animal brain taking over? to put it mildly. hmm.

so anyway, have a bunch of recs. :D maybe i'll even rec you some filth most of these are short because longfic is still kind of hard to come by when it comes to steve/bucky. which makes me a little sad, but on the other hand i guess i'm re-learning to enjoy shorter fic out of simple necessity.

RECS AHOY )

nerakrose: drawing of balfour from havemercy (i think i just lost a brain cell)
so, i'm sitting here and attempting to sketch out stuff for the tony/steve reverse big bang (which i'm terribly behind on) and got to thinking.

i don't think i've ever heard of a fanfic writer who didn't like fanart of their fic or illustrations with their fic, and i also don't think i've ever heard of a reader who didn't like illustrations within the fic they're reading.

but when it comes to actualfax novels out there in the "real world", i can't think of a single "adult novel" (i say "adult novels" not because i'm thinking of novels with erotic content, but novels that aren't aimed at children or young adults) that has illustrations in it. kiddie books have them in abundance and some YA novels have "ornaments" rather than illustrations - the artemis fowl novels come to mind, with the fairy symbols adorning the pages like framework.

illustrations within fiction in the "real world" seem to be...i don't want to say frowned upon, because that's not the wording i'm looking for, but it seems as if illustrations degrade the work. there's a picture in it? it must be a children's book! and therefore, logically, not fit for reading unless you're seven years old.

and what's really interesting to me is that this hasn't always been the case. you don't even need to go very far back in time to get illustrations within novels. so there's clearly been a shift in attitude over time and illustrations have been removed from the "proper adult literature" while it stays on as an identifying marker of children's books, to put it simply.

and then you have fanfiction, which is a whole genre of its own that defies and subverts a lot of do's and dont's in literature, and apparently also illustrations. not all fanfic illustrations are x-rated (the ones i'm making for the tony/steve reverse big bang most certainly aren't), even if many of them are (just as much of the fanfiction is x-rated). and i wonder, are illustrations of fanfiction just yet another way in which fanfiction as a genre looks at literature and goes "no, i don't care - i want this, and so be it"?

thoughts and comments are much appreciated! i'm interested in hearing what you've all got to say.

things!

Jan. 5th, 2013 03:46 pm
nerakrose: calvin and hobbes dancing in joy (hellfuckingyes)
first of all, i just wanted to link to the H/D writers friending meme. i don't think there's any H/D people on my flist who don't know of it, but well :P

then there's the rec party at [livejournal.com profile] 00q_bb...i need to get my arse in gear and go rec something. it's a little slow but i think that's the holidays speaking...

and then there's the snowflake challenge (snowflake_challenge), which i thought looked interesting. i haven't done anything for it (obv) and i've been a little busy, but it's saturday and i have the weekend off. i'm probably not gonna do ALL the challenges and i really cannot be arsed reporting back to the comm to say i did it, but hey - let's see how it goes.

day 1 - In your own space, post a rec for at least three fanworks that you have created. It can be your favorite fanworks that you've created, or fanworks you feel no one ever saw, or fanworks you say would define you as a creator.

1) Indiana Lupin and the Search for the Conqueror (NC-17, Remus/Sirius, 67k)
I think this will always be one of my favourite works. <3 it's adventure! and crack! and porn! seriously, what more do you want?

2) Here Now, Gone Yesterday (or Back To The Future) (R, Teddy/James, Remus/Sirius, 21k)
This is a more recent fic of mine, but i do love it very much. it's maybe one of the more 'representative' works of mine? or not? because i write different things, but what i like about this one is that it's very clearly about relationships and family and then i just went and threw a bucket of angst at it. And the one thing i *do* like to write about is family and relationships, so there's that.

3) He Eats Snow For Breakfast (PG-13, Avengers gen, 25k)
I'm really only linking to this one because i'm still in the phase of 'i just finished a long piece of work and i'm all giddy about it' :P but also because i tried something new with this one, but like i said before, i like to write about people and relationships.

day 2 - In your own space, post a rec for at least three fanworks that you did not create. See if you can rec fanworks that are less likely to be praised: tiny fandoms, rare pairings, fanworks other than stories, lesser known kinks or tropes. Find fanworks that have few to no comments, or creators new to a particular fandom and maybe aren't well known or appreciated. Appreciate
them.


1) The perks of Constancy by superpol (Mature, Bond/Q, 6k)
Asexual!Q. That is all. (I liked it also for other reasons, but there's not enough ace!fic out there. and this one is lovely. <3)

2) Chocolate Chip Oatmeal Raisin Cookies and Mob Bosses by kleinefee92 (Teen and up, Hank/Alex (XMFC), 41k)
I think this is the only piece of work in which there's a likeable Scott Summers. he's a child, so that explains it. XD this is an adorable and lovely fic and i just can't with all the cute and i love Hank and Alex so much (he's a dance instructor!) and baby Scott and baby Logan and akdghjafkkakfssfksdfksjgksjgfkjsdsgadækljfsdfbhfvcjajclddjsjadlsfjkdsfdnkasjfhksjghskjhfldskjfkdffk*ded*

3) you, maybe not essentially you, somebody else by dorcas_gustine (Mature, Tony/Jensen (the losers/avengers crossover), 10k)
there is nothing about this fic which is not perfect.
nerakrose: drawing of balfour from havemercy (i'm a pron writer)
i realised earlier today that part of what i really love about the avengers fandom is that it's a lot less slash based than any other fandoms i've been in. in the sense that it doesn't really matter what i write, there'll still be an audience for it. there's not this pressure to put a slash between two characters and write only that and post only that, i can write a gen epic if i want to and it won't be seen as a lesser fic for it.
there's a lot of freedom in that fandom and i'm finding that most of the ideas that pop into my head, whether i write them down or not for potential future use, are much broader on the fluffy gen-hardcore gaysex spectrum than anything i've done before. before i'd dismiss an idea out of hand if it wasn't slash-centric, but now i have no such constraints.

case in point: i've created 5 works for this fandom and out of those 5 works there is:

- one pure gen fic: burning bridges (natasha, clint and phil)
- two mainly gen (i see them as gen, however there is slash in the background): how to become a superhero (tony-centric brofic with bruce wayne, side of tony/steve and background clint/phil) and agent sitwell: bnf (sitwell-centric crackfic with background tony/steve and clint/phil)
- one human/artificial intelligence fic: love in these modern times (clint/jarvis, crackfic of sorts)
- and only one purely slash fic: the suit porn fic (tony/steve)

i've created 30+ works (fanart included) for the harry potter fandom and not a single one is gen. (in my old fandom, whose works i've pulled offline, there were some 30-40+ fics and not a single one of those was gen either.)

DISCUSSION TIME.

in HP i feel like genfics are frowned upon and not really given space to - sure, there are always gen prompts and fics in multipairing fic fests, but even in the rhethoric you see it: those are always referred to as multipairing fests even if it also allows no pairings. the genfics generally seem to get a lot less readers than slashfics, too. it seems that people are divided into pairing corners and aren't very open to new pairings/gen fics. how is your experience with the HP fandom?

i haven't taken part in any avengers fests (though i've signed up for my first one) but i get the impression that it's an everything goes fandom. people seem open towards pretty much anything, so long as the fic premise sounds interesting to them.

i'm going to wager a guess that part the reason is the places on the internet these fandoms have their "homes" in. HP hangs out a lot on LJ, which is journal and community based, so one has to join specific communities for specific things. someone who joins only [livejournal.com profile] remusxsirius, for example, won't be as easily "exposed" to other pairings or genfics than someone who watches [livejournal.com profile] potterslash. i haven't been able to find a catch-all community for HP fics, which i take to mean as a sign that people aren't interested in going beyond their own OTPs.
the avengers fandom, on the other hand, is a lot less on LJ (though there are communities) and seems to have their homebase on AO3, which structurally is very, very different. just by visiting the avengers fandom on AO3 one is subject to every single new fic in the fandom, regardless of whether it's gen, het, slash or whatever else. there aren't communities to post the fic to, there is just the archive, and only the tags specifiy what the fic is. and if your fic isn't slash, gen, het or multi, there's an 'other' tag. the whole structure of the site invites a broader variety of fic simply because it's easy to post it due to fewer constraints. one doesn't have to fret over finding a comm on LJ for the fic if it doesn't fit into the ones that one normally uses.

thoughts? agreements? disagreements? other?
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